A critique of the ctritic – Justin Peters

Justin Peters

 

I wanted to make some clarifying comments here after this post.  I received some criticism about this post from my fellow believers at church.  It could be that I am straining at a gnat here in some respects.  Justin Peters is doing the church a good thing and a difficult thing.  He is calling out error and false teachers and we need to hear that.  I am in no way trying to discourage or disparage Justin or his listeners.  A point of clarity came to mind as I was being challenged by my brothers.  My definition of “a liar” includes intent.  In other words, I don’t think that someone that is saying something that is actually false but who believes it is true is a “liar”.  More accurately the speaker is simply wrong, deceived and in error, but he is not an intentional liar. If that were the case “let all men be liars and God the only true witness”.  We all are full of error and probably most of what we believe about things is incomplete or erroneous in some way.  I am personally very tired of seeing division creeping into the church because of people ascribing intent that cannot be known.  We are to judge rightly but we can only judge that which we can see and sense.  This is why the due process of scripture (Matthew 18) tells us to confront the person we have a problem with directly before we go talking to everyone else about our problem.  I haven’t discussed this blog post with Justin Peters, perhaps I should.  I hope my criticism has not offended or hurt Justin’s ministry in any way.  Our enemy is the accuser.  No one is innocent but Christ, so let’s just not throw stones at the intentions of people without careful thought and proof of intent.  Actions and words can an should be judged – lets hold the line there.  Implications of a word can go far beyond the intent of the word. So far this post has had 42 views including my own, so I don’t think I am threatening Justin’s ministry here.  It is merely an opinion, feel free to sprinkle it with all the salt it needs.

Our church decided to show Justin Peter’s video “Clouds Without Water” where he critiques the “Word of Faith” movement.
Firstly, I want to say that Justin does a great job of showing much of the hypocrisy and lies of the many faith-healing ministers such as Benny Hinn and Joel Olstean and many others.

Justin is lightly afflicted with cerebral palsy.  This has led him to seek healing through his faith and through faith-healers and he has been disappointed.

Though I can agree with many of his points of evidence, I have a difficult time dealing with his conclusions and extrapolations from his evidence.  His logic skips the necessary steps to prove his conclusions.  Instead, he finds a contradiction and then assumes: The speaker is perfectly aware of the contradiction: The speaker is speaking precisely: and therefore he is a liar – and thus not a Christian – and thus a false prophet – … so on to hell.

For example, Justin criticizes the immensely popular devotional “Jesus Calling“, a copy of which my wife has and one I took some time today to review from Justin’s perspective.  His criticism here is that so many people are reading devotionals instead of the Bible.  His point is that anyone that writes words attributed to God is “adding to scripture” and therefore changing the cannon.  And we all know the admonitions in Deuteronomy and Revelation to not add to or take away from the word of God.  Thus Sarah Young (the author) is likely going to a special place hotter than most.

Another was quoting a female TV evangelist that said she prayed away a storm she saw from the window of her plane.  Justin then assumes she is claiming blanket control of the weather and suggest perhaps she should be sued for allowing Katrina to happen and points out her contradiction of saying she doesn’t fly in bad weather – something a person that controls the weather would not need to worry about.  But look at this closely.  The bible says for us not to assume the future – even if we think we have control over it.  The lady was simply testifying that she prayed and a storm she saw dissipated – that is not a lie.  It is her true testimony of a perceived fact.  Her message was meant to impart faith – belief in something you have no physical (or logical sometimes) evidence of.  She never said she could control the weather.

Actually, I take that back, she kind of did say that, I didn’t remember it as accurately as I should have.  She did say “you are the weather man” implying that we ALL control the weather.  Giving her (Joyce Meyer I think) the benefit of the doubt tells me she must mean that collectively we all influence the weather with our intentions.  She could be meaning that with all sincerity – which is why I take exception to Justin publically calling her a liar – see my definition of the term at the top of this post.  I personally can’t know for absolutely certain that our thoughts do or do not effect the weather.  See these stories for an interesting data point on this idea:http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Weather_Control#Accidental_Weather_Modification

It is true that TV evangelists often draw general conclusions they shouldn’t, but in all honesty, I sometimes have a hard time drawing any conclusion I couldn’t misinterpret or pick apart.

Justin says he is a cessationist which means he believes that all prophecy is completed and that apostolic miracles are no longer in effect.  He however gives no evidence for that conclusion except to note that the miracles in acts seem to abruptly stop after Acts 19.

This logic condemns all prophecy as false.  Worse, it equates a personal message from God as the equivalent to scripture.  He might as well say there is absolutely no communication from God to man under any circumstances other than the English Cannon of scripture and Nature.  This approaches deist mentality and I think is equally as erroneous as his opponents are whom he accuses of claiming deity over God.

There is a very fine line between being a faithful follower, and taking God for granted.  It’s a very hard line to stay on.  We walk blindly and rightly in constant fear of God – which is exactly where He want’s us.

I have no problem with Justin’s beliefs for himself – he is quite orthodox along the lines of the Baptist denomination.  Everyone has to draw some conclusions simply to function.  I know a few other people from this background and they seem to have the same very black and white, wooden logic about what truth is – but then they are very secure in their faith and nobody is going to throw them off easily.

Jesus was constantly throwing his followers for loops because he was talking of spiritual matters simply beyond their experience.  He was equally attacked by people that couldn’t see the truth of his apparently heretical and contradictory statements.

Now I am not trying to introduce doubt and confusion into anyone’s beliefs.  Truth is very difficult to find and criticizing each other (without due process and solid logic) just compounds the difficulty of finding it.  Justin has to wonder if he could be bordering on blaspheming the Holy Spirit – that is, ascribing miracles to Satan that may in fact be the work of the Holy Spirit.  Humility is really our only safe abode.

The Bible contains many outright contradicting ideas.  Things like absolute sovereignty vs free will, One God in 3 persons, prophecies with multiple fulfillments, prophets that are false that none-the-less give true prophecies and show signs and miracles.

There are entire sets of theology, all academically supported, all contradicting each other, and all logically valid given their premises.  See Steve Gregg’s excellent work “Four views of Revelation” for some concrete examples. This work, by itself, has added serious doubt to my mind as to my ability to interpret most of scripture correctly.

With these combinations of contradictions it becomes really tough to say that anything is just TRUE on its face.  The table is solid, unless you look at the atomic level.  Germs are bad unless you notice that without them we would be dead.  The three witnesses of that car crash that all saw the same thing are contradicting each other…

This is not to say that there is not truth.  To say so is logically absurd and defeats all purpose in life and creation.  There is truth and God is truth – He’s just a lot higher than we are.

Justin does raise some very good information that we should all be aware of.  Many TV evangelists are twisting scripture to make money and their fruit is clearly visible for all to see that they don’t deserve the kind of following they get.  They even go so far as to make God their genie and invoke him as a sorcerer would invoke spirits.  This is certainly worthy of exposure.

When I learned that the Hebrew word for evil is RA and that the paleo-Hebrew letters literally mean Man’s will over God’s, I stumbled upon a very clear vision that helps me in discernment.  Jesus said that all men are evil and only the father is good.

People are really very gray things.  We all have our bias and hurts and our tongues are impossible to control.  Perhaps Justin Peters is being more effective by accusing others of satanic beliefs where any shadow of doubt exists – but there is no place safe to hide.  Even the beloved King James bible has many well-known errors in translation.  As we continue to unearth more ancient copies of the scriptures and other books we find that our times are full of new knowledge that the experts of the past simply had no access to.  At some point, revision of our views is necessary in order to pursue truth truthfully.

Hold on to what is good, but don’t miss the newer truths being revealed every day simply due to more evidence.  Our trial of truth is never over and our sanctification isn’t either till death stops our pursuits of learning and the ultimate truth find’s us – unchanged as it is and never fully found despite our very best efforts to do so.

Which is why we can’t find God – He simply has to find us.

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23 Responses to A critique of the ctritic – Justin Peters

  1. Kk says:

    Hello, I just came across your blog. I live in Ghana and also recently heard of Justin Peters seminar. I find it hard to understand what is so unclear to you.

    The truth about what God’s will is is very clear in scripture and is simple enough for even children who approach it with humility. Obviously, there are portions of Scripture like Revelation that contain symbolic language that no one will fully understand this side of heaven. The main thing we do know is Christ is coming back for His bride and that the devil and sin will all one day be done away with.

    However, apart from those books, things like prayer, how God speaks to us, prophecy, healing etc are very clear in Scripture. We are exposed more than most to these false claims over here in West Africa. I didn’t even know about all these people like MacArthur and Peters and the like but when I was saved something immediately felt wrong with what was going on in the various churches I attended simply by comparing it to my bible so I don’t agree they have simply gathered like-minded people but rather it seems the Holy Spirit is granting a similar discernment to people all over.

    I pray you throw out all your own preconceptions and pray asking God to show you as you make your way through the Word. I’m sure we will find that what is being claimed today falls way short of what we saw God doing and I wouldn’t want to accuse God of His power waning over the years.

    All the best

    • sanfords says:

      It’s not clear to what part of this long post you have a problem with. My main point was that Justin was judging people without knowing their intentions. His interpretations of their actions was tainted by pre-judgment – that’s all I meant to say.

      • Adrian says:

        Justin Peters is right on the nose. I have watched all of his seminars and what is obviously “clear”…… these prosperity preachers know exactly what they are “doing”… only Justin Peters is the only person I have ever heard speak (and also attend these prosperity preacher services) about pointing these tv evangelists and their wrong-doing out into the open, no one else wants to even mention them (except Oprah who has nothing but admiration and praise) and their insistent wrong words, wrong preaching, wrong faith! Tell your wife to throw away every copy of ‘Jesus Calling’….That book is a fake attempt of christianity and you do not want fake christian “anything” in your home. Stuff like Joyce Meyer and anything with Ostein, burn it and run from it. It is not anything close to being biblical. That stuff leads away from Christ not to it!!

    • Geir says:

      Justin Peters is a false teacher. He states that the spiritual gifts is no longer in use in the Church. This is obviously not right. All christian churches are acknowlegdes and using the gifts. This and other things, brings Peters a place very near Jehovas Witnesses:

      http://justinpeters.org/1171-2/

  2. I have to agree with most of your assessment of Justin peters. I am a Senior Pastor of a small congregation in central Florida. I have been in the ministry for over 30 years and have been the Senior Pastor of four churches in three different states. I believe strongly that everyone who stands to preach and teach God’s word must rightly divide the word. I teach an eschatology class every Wednesday night called “The Rapture Ready Club” and we study nothing but end times prophecies as well as look at current events that are going on around the world that fall in line with the prophecies of the last days. Concerning the end times Jesus talked more about false prophets and false Christ’s that would come more than He spoke about wars and rumors of wars famines and earthquakes. In the course of our study we have shown a couple of Justin peters videos concerning the Word of Faith movement. I personally believe that the Word of Faith preachers and teachers are part of the false prophets that Jesus warned us about in Matthew chapter 7:21-23. I would have to agree with much of Justin peters assessment of this group. I certainly do not believe that Jesus Christ died and went to hell and had to be born again as the Word of Faith movement teaches. I also do not believe that we are little gods as the Word of Faith preachers and teachers teach as well as several other doctrines that the Word of Faith movement proclaims because they do not line up with Scripture.

    However, I believe Justin Peters takes his critique way too far when he throws Charismatic and Pentecostals in the same basket as the Word of Faith movement. For example, Justin makes it clear that he does not believe that all of the gifts of the Spirit are in operation today because he believes and teaches the doctrine of cessation that is common amongst many Baptists. Justin goes on to say that he especially does not believe the gift of healing, the gift of speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues and prophecy are for today. Justin also states that those who practice these things not only are in error but he also equates some of the manifestations that are going on in Charismatic and Pentecostal churches as nothing different than what goes on with Hindus. Justin states that Hindus speak in tongues, shake and are slain in the spirit more than any church or movement. In other words what Mr. Peters is stating is that those who are used in speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, the gift of prophecy and the gift of healing are no different than the cultic type manifestations of the Hindus. According to Justin Peters because these gifts are not for today they are not from God so therefore we must conclude they are coming from Satan.

    As a born again believer who loves Jesus and also a Pentecostal Preacher, I personally take great offense to Justin peters assessment of the gifts of the spirit. I personally have not only experienced being filled with the spirit and speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues but of also have witnessed many documented healings. Although there have been abuses of the Gifts of the Spirit especially tongues and interpretation as well as there have been fabricated prophecies and healings, to say that all of these manifestations are not from God but are to be attributed to the devil is crossing the line. I can only assume although very sincere Justin Peters has some anger and he has created a vendetta towards those churches who believe in the gifts of the spirit including divine healing because he himself did not receive healing for his body. There are times when God does not heal and I do not question as to why for God is sovereign and he will always do that which is his perfect will. However once again I have witnessed several divine miracles including healings that only brought glory and honor to the Lord Jesus Christ.

    It is my firm assessment that Justin peters has thrown the baby out with the bathwater. I would caution anyone especially pastors and Bible teachers to be very careful in showing Justin Peters videos to their congregations as his critique has crossed far beyond the boundaries of what truly is of God and that which is not. To call anyone who has experienced the afterlife a liar is also going way too far. Do people lie, do they fabricate stories to make money absolutely. However to say that everyone and anyone who has experienced the afterlife and came back to talk about it is a liar is simply irresponsible of Justin Peters. There have been several documented cases where individuals had died and their hearts had stopped for several minutes and they experienced a glimpse of heaven and some even of judgment. Many of these people don’t want to share their stories for they know they not only will be ridiculed by unbelievers but they will also be judged as liars by those in the church like Justin Peters.

    I will conclude by saying Justin peters is a bright young man and he is very sincere and I personally believe he has a message that the church needs to hear today concerning false prophets and teachers. However he would do well to stick to those things that can be clearly supported with scripture and not those things that do not fit his own personal theology.

  3. sanfords says:

    I am honored that you commented. Though I make the assertion that JP has prejudged some people, at the same time, I am not out to bury the man. He is my brother and I want to give all people the benefit of the doubt – after all, I will be judged by the measure I judge others.

  4. Absolutely! I agree with you on that!

  5. I have been on both sides of the Word of Faith movement following Hagin in my early years as a Christian and I agree with 90% of what Justin Peters says. He is not even sarcastic nor disrespectful in his tone towards these false teachers. If these false preachers in the word of faith movement are off base I think it is essential to get the word out. Many ppl are disillusioned by these doctrines and by the lack of control over their own lives. If these word of faith ppl were telling us the truth wouldn’t it always work or is that too black and white?
    As one who stood in a marriage with an adulterous unbeliever for five and one-half years can tell you while the ppl around me who followed these word of faith teachers said just keep standing bc God has promised to bring him home and they were exceedingly incorrect. The main problem with the word of faith is the denial of what’s really going on in one’s life and the constant dancing and lying one has to tell oneself. It’s quite exhausting.
    As for Justin Peters teaching against the gifts – do you not know he is Baptist or Southern Baptist and almost none of them believe in the gifts in any shape or form. What I’m saying is it’s not surprising to hear him not endorse the gifts.

    • sanfords says:

      An unsurprising error is still an error. The gifts are manifest over the globe and are undeniable. Anyone IMHO who still asserts that the gifts have ceased is “in denial of what’s really going on”.
      Once again, this original post was merely an attempt at a gentle respectful correction, not condemnation of Peters.

  6. Aron says:

    I found out about Peters some weeks ago. And i’m 100% sure that he is right about the Word of Faith movement. When i started to read the bible and completely gave myself to the Lord and his will, he showed me that pretty quick and i could no longer attend my church since it’s very much Word of Faith and not so much bible.

    About Peters take on the gift i can’t agree with him! I do agree on that there is no more Prophets and Apostles with capital P and A today, not as an office that speaks with the same authority as the word of God and that comes with new “revelations”. There is no new revelations, the bible is complete, but today God illuminates his word to us and it will always line up with the bible. The office of Prophet and Apostle should not be confused with the gift though, i do believe that the gifts is active today. But the gifts is not the same as the office. There are prophecies today but you most always test those in the Word of God, if it do not line up with the bible it’s not of God.

    The gift of healing is active but not in the sense that you should visit people with the gift and they shall touch you and you will be healed by there touch(as the word of faith preachers), healing comes through prayer. As for the gift of tongues it is very misused today. I do agree with Peters that if we practices that in the public it shall be interpreted too and done like Paul describes it.

    But the gifts is for sure active though many people abuse them, and we must always compare everything today to the bible and see if it lines up with it and pray that God shows us the truth not man. Cessationism is to take it a step too far. That’s my take on it.

    Sorry for my grammar, English is not my native language.

  7. Jesus is Lord says:

    Without faith it is impossible to please God and without faith the devil has you where he wants you! You are no threat to the kingdom of darkness due to lack of faith! Jesus is the same yesterday, today,and forever! Miracles are still happening especially in other countries where people dont have the technology and the good doctors and medicine to depend on so their faith in Jesus is so strong because they have no hope like us in the U.S. We dont receive healing because our faith is in the doctors more than on the prayers that could heal instantly in Jesus’ name like they did and are is still doing! Right away our thoughts are “well i will set an appointment anyways just incase this prayer doesnt work!” That is not faith! I believe thats what happened to Justin Peters when he didnt receive healing for cerebral palsy, he right away assumed the Word of Faith doesnt work just because it didnt work for him! Therefore Justin is making himself to be a false teacher because faith does work and healing miracles do work because i have seen them for myself and guess what Jesus is real! So what Justin Peters is pretty much saying is that God is a liar because without faith it is impossible to please God! Hebrews 11:6 Jesus was always getting on to his disciples for lack of faith! Just because a preacher is rich doesnt make him a false teacher or preacher especially a preacher who is pointing people to Jesus! All these people that Justin says are false teachers and preachers all talk about Jesus who is the only way to the Father so how can they be false? A false teacher is simply someone who denies Jesus as the only way to heaven or someone that says they are Jesus themselves but someone who is encouraging people about the goodness of God through Jesus Christ isnt a false teacher and being wealthy isnt a sin and actually poverty is a curse Dueteronomy 28! Brothers and sisters this Justin Peters guy reminds me of the disciples in Mark 9:38-41 when they saw someone they didnt know because he wasnt a part of that group casting out demons in Jesus’ name, they tried to stop him and Jesus rebuked them saying anyone who does a miracle in my name is for us not against us! Guess what brothers and sisters Justin and anyone who believes him is acting like the disciples especially when the preachers Justin is bad mouthing talk about Jesus and lead people to salvation! Just because you dont believe like they believe about prosperity doesnt make them a false teacher! Read the word of God prosperity is in the bible! Yes finances,health, relationships, and so much fall into that word prosperity! Jesus came to give us life and life in abundance John 10:10 not just life to get barely by! Without money you can never be a blessing to others or help anyone one because in reality you need money in this lifetime or you will not eat, have a home, and wouldnt be able to enjoy life like Jesus wants us to! The bible doesnt say money is the root of all evil! It says for the Love of money is the root of all evil! What you do for it and how u spend it is what makes it bad but lets let God be the judge on that!

    • sanfords says:

      Still, if a prophet or an apostle were to appear today – how would you recognize him with your standards for miracles and words of prophecy? Peter healed people who his shadow fell on – laying on of hands is thus not bionically necessary. Peter had no money and he blessed others. I know people without money that live fine. Satan loves these divisions between us. This was why I wrote this post in the first place. Let’s not condemn Justin either, let’s do our best to discern truth by diligent study of the word and work together for the kingdom!

  8. charlotte says:

    Justin Peters is absolutely right. He cites examples, in many cases the actual pastor speaking/preaching about things. He comes to conclusions based on their words. The Bible tells us to call out by name false teachers. It’s in the bible. Look it up. Paul called out false teachers by NAME. So there is a biblical precedence.

    There is NO division in Christianity. Confused? Here’s how I can say that: WoF people are NOT CHRISTIANS. It’s not up for debate. It’s a fact. Oh, they talk about Jesus, so they must be Christians? Know who else talks about Jesus a lot? Oh yeah, the Mormons do. But they aren’t Christians either. Personally I know that Justin Peters is right on in his views, and he is the ONLY ONE who is brave enough to stand up to these multi-billionaire-false prophets.
    If you don’t like it, well, too bad. The word of God is a sword. That’s in the bible too.

    If you read your bible and followed the Holy Spirit…. you would be convicted of the false teachers and false teachings yourself.
    If you truly believe Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland (who according to her, and to you, I guess, in your endorsement of her, can change the weather …Puhleeze), Benny Hinn, Kreflo Dollar, Todd Bentley, Jesse Duplantis… ETC… If you think those men are men of God, ask yourself, why are they living like kings and queens and begging for money on TV from people that HAVE NO MONEY!?? It’s just plain sick and wrong what they are doing and God bless Justin for having the guts to say what no one else is brave enough to say.

    Justin Peters backs everything, every single one of his claims up with evidence. Maybe we weren’t watching the same seminar.

    God bless you…. and I pray that you yourself get discernment. Looks like you really need it.

    • sanfords says:

      There is definitely a line between what is Christian and what is not. But just try to describe that line accurately. Our fellowship was in unity for years and happy till we wrote down our belief statement. From that point on cases came up of people that didn’t measure up and slowly members were ejected till it collapsed. The problem is that the word can be applied to all things and there are a lot of different situations to apply it to. It’s the same problem we have administering justice. Everyone might agree “We should use Torah to define right and wrong” and then up comes a case where the evidence is blurred or contradictory or the application unclear. Believe me, I have read my bible – and I am confused exactly what it means all the time.
      “I saw an angel” – so testified by Joseph Smith, Mohamed, Many popes in the past, TV Evangelists, John, Peter, Paul and Mary and Jesus himself.
      So which of them saw an angel and which saw a daemon pretending to be an angel?
      You say I lack discernment – remember we see through a glass dimly my friend.

    • Try to confront with love instead of hostility.

  9. Bobby says:

    Exposing the Exposers

    It is with great concern and regret that I have noticed scores even hundreds of so called “Exposers” all over the internet including YouTube.

    I saddens me deep down in my spirit because the far majority of these posts are aimed at the Word of Faith television preachers spilling over to the Pentecostal movement.

    I found Jesus and received Him as my personal Savior in 1978 and He used the Pentecostal movement to do this, and for this I will be FOREVER GRATEFUL.

    Sadly for many years I was also arrogant and pointed my self righteous finger at anyone who was not a Pentecostal: Lord forgive me for all those wasted years.

    In my self righteous flesh I debated, argued and even destroyed the faith of many young Christians always thinking in my misplaced pride that I was doing God’s work.

    God is faithful and he brought me to my knees as only He could using the same method He used with Paul; a thorn in the flesh with the same answer ‘My grace is sufficient for you’ Thank you Lord for your grace.

    I have done some research and sadly found out that there are people Exposing these so called Word of Faith as “servants of Satan” and then there are people Exposing them and then people Exposing their Exposers and it goes on and on and on is a sickly satanic chain of superstition, slander and innuendos of which very little has any scriptural basis.

    My question is this; are the Exposers doing the work of God or not? But I will try and base my findings on scripture and not just my opinion however I do concede that I will base it on my opinion of the scripture

    1. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
    Ephesians 5:11 NKJV

    This is the only scripture in the new testament which even uses the word “expose” but strange enough it does not appear in the KJV here the word “reprove” is used (elegchō in Greek) this literally means rebuke and to rebuke someone we need to do it one on one to their face not behind their back on the internet using edited video clips which takes all context out of what us being said.

    But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
    Galatians 2:11 KJV

    But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
    Galatians 2:14 KJV

    Here we see Paul only reproving or withstanding Peter either in private or in front of those whom Peter had corrupted with his false doctrine. These were mislead Christians not pagans or unbelievers.

    When Appollos was teaching the wrong baptism Aquilla and Pracilla took the time to correct his teachings Acts 18:24-25
    When Paul came across some disciples who had been taught wrong by Apollos he did not “Expose” Him as a satanist or heretic he simply taught the disciples the correct baptism and then re – baptised them.

    • sanfords says:

      Matthew 18 is very clear. Confront personally, then with help, then publicly if they will not repent. This makes room for public exposure but only after direct confrontation has failed.
      I think of Jesus’ prayer in John 17 – His chief desire seemed to be unity so let’s consider this before publicly critiquing a brother.
      Thanks for your heart-felt post.

  10. Bobby says:

    Yes I agree with this however Paul also says this should be done within the body of Christ, also the process should start off in kindness and love with the motive to bring the one who is deviating back to the fold not calling them Satanists.

    Also in my opinion we should take our own doctrinal preference goggles off and be prepared to give those who differ the benefit of the doubt that their motives are good

    I have a huge problem with these ‘Exposers and the damage they are doing to young Christians who are not yet in the position to discern

    Setteleing doctrinal differences according to the scriptures
    There is nothing wrong with having a difference in doctrines even the apostles differed in sometimes major doctrines however how are we to treat each other within the body of Christ and even outside. How are we to settle disputes
    Well it is with Kindness and Gentleness
    Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
    Philippians 4:5 NKJV The Greek word uses here is epieikēs or Moderation in the KJV this literally means gentle mild mannered Moderation and patience
    Notice that this is not only required within the body of Christ but to ALL men.
    Paul uses another greek word chrēstotēs as well which means Gentleness and good.
    We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed. But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses, by purity, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by KINDNESS, by the Holy Spirit, by sincere love,
    II Corinthians 6:3-4, 6 NKJV
    Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, KINDNESS, humility, meekness, longsuffering; bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.
    Colossians 3:12-13 NKJV
    interestingly the exact same word is used showing God’s kindness towards us

    But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
    Titus 3:4-5 NKJV
    And
    and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
    Ephesians 2:6-8 NKJV
    Philadelphia. Brotherly love kindness is the Greek word hupomonē meaning enduring patience and kindness if found in 2 Peter 1:6-8
    to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    II Peter 1:6-8 NKJV
    So is it scriptural to point out self righteous know it all fingers at our brethren and call them messangers of Satan just because they don’t comply with our traditions I DONT THINK SO

  11. Brian says:

    I agree with some of Justins points but if the Holy Spirit illuminates a scripture i an adding to a cannon? He just doesn’t seem to know the loving God that has been my friend for decades. His cripple is in his heart and i feel so sad for he and others who refuse a real friendship with the Holy spirit. He illuminates scripture and ” in the garden he tarries there as the hymn says. It takes discernment but the Creator God wants more of our time than we usually want to give him and has a lot to relate however he choses to do it. Justin cant hold him back. Too bad many Entertainers scared Justin away from a more intimatete personal friendship with his trinity. Blasheming about blasphemers is sin?

  12. Mike says:

    I appreciate your putting into words what I am feeling about Justin Peters. The division and assumption that only a handful of teachers are true and the rest are liars. So we must buy Peters’ books, which contain more than pure scripture???

  13. Molly says:

    I am so glad reading your piece here today after listening to some of Justin’s sermons. I also had difficulty with his assertion that the only way you can hear from God is only from scripture . Why are not impressions or hearing from the Lord on your heart not scriptural . His view of prayer does strike me as stiff. However I did appreciate what he had to say about misleading TV evangelists.

  14. samalabear says:

    My impression of Justin Peters’ website almost seems to indicate that calling others out is his raison d’etre. But it’s not just Peters, for sure, and the Calvinist websites calling out folks are many. It’s simply if someone is not a Calvinist you’re fair game.

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